Discussion
Servo tests thread
Will be less organized than my Redox tests thread
At some point the two threads will merge
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Last used Servo a couple years ago, primarily used it by building it as a library (which means no mach, no uv). As *far as I know*, verso is dead and the recommended frontend is servoshell. I'm building that.
Thoughts:
- Recommended buildscript does use uv. Maybe a problem if you're using servo as the basis for a hashtag-noAI system
- [placeholder for a servo bug# i will edit in]
@jdm_ @pip From my work with Tusky, I can say that starting a corporate entity is a lot harder than joining with an existing one and once you've joined an entity it's not easy to move. There are lots of "umbrella entities" like the Linux Foundation or SFC and they don't necessarily have anything to do with anything except providing a legal address, the question is the governance model.
@mcc i believe the build system should still work without uv. use any tool that reads pyproject.toml (or create a virtualenv with python/requirements.txt) then run ./mach as a python script (it’s polyglot with shell)
@simon I built it without uv when I built without mach, so I think that's true. By the way, are you with servo? I've been getting a weird error message from mach, I was about to take it to the Zulip.
@mcc yes i joined Igalia recently to work (again) on Servo. Zulip is a good place for weird error messages
Oh that last post might not have made so much sense. Let me explain
This is a "true alternative" browser, outside the Firefox or Chromium stacks, like Ladybird but older. It was originally a Firefox project but Firefox didn't want it so now it's a standalone org. I give them five dollars a month.
Making a browser is hard especially when your budget is $5/month so they are working their way through the web stack s l o w l y. I'm checking in to see how far they've got.
@mcc Runs my blog flawlessly and very fast.
This https://mas.to/@tezoatlipoca/117531121730057253 is a very interesting question. This is one of the questions I will be seeking to answer.
(Yes, I complained a lot about the quote tweet feature when it went in, but… now that I can no longer make quote tweets I miss it.)
Oh, one of the things I'll be testing alongside this is "carboxyl", which I built last night.
https://github.com/carboxyl-rs/carboxyl
This is a command-line/TUI servo frontend, like w3m. It looks great. It is one of the worst project names I've ever heard.
@mcc didn't they celebrate a while ago being able to run the mastodon web frontend?
Servo build steps, 20261030
- Check out https://github.com/servo/servo.git , `mach bootstrap`, `mach build --release` , `mach run --release`
Carboxyl build steps:
- `cargo build --release --locked`, then it's in `./target/release/carboxyl`. At this point to proceed you MUST click in the URL bar to do anything
(Rly? It's not possible to use carboxyl AT ALL without a terminal mouse extension?— CTRL-C only kbd input I've found. Infuriatingly NEITHER carbonyl NOR carboxyl seem to have written a user guide)
OK actually doing this. Current survey of Servo app compatibility.
This is the page I made for the other part of my "move to a cabin in the woods" project. Works perfect! I can add the GIF. https://floss.social/@curtmack/117281647519853886 There's an odd <input> alignment issue.
Carbonyl is… weirder. You can see some problems that demonstrate why I don't like the "screenshot and ASCII-art-ify" approach of carbonyl. It's *very* responsive, though I miss keyboard controls. Can't even tab links
@mcc Oh dang, it even uses Mozilla's mach.
> It renders web pages in your terminal, with a configurable frame-rate limit of 60 FPS
Ok _THAT_ I have to see in action. Super interesting, look forward to updates!
@tezoatlipoca notice it is based on a Chromium command line browser which is more fully featured
@mcc I checked in on their android apk a couple weeks ago after a couple months away and you can definitely feel the improvement. Definitely a demonstrator more than a browser to use day to day (no tab support), but the rendering garbage in most sites is a lot less.
@mcc Servo is very promising. I've been using it to test web frontend stuff in my $dayjob.
@mcc I haven't checked in with servo in a while. Im sure they have a %complete dashboard somewhere, but is it functional enough that say you need a rudimentary web rendering engine for a project that isn't a comprehensive browser? (like an email client or local file browser for previewing .html files?)
@mcc I want to like servo, but their connection to the linux foundation, testmu ai, aws, and github are certainly worrying.