Listen, if you are a software engineer being brought back to a company or organization you were laid off from to fix their AI vibe coded mess, you have to do me a favor: please, charge them so much. Just so, so much. The only way they'll learn anything is if you make their shareholders cry.
@AbandonedAmerica what all of the comments are missing; if you're based in the US and coming back as contractor, you'll need to double your asking rate JUST to cover health insurance premiums. Otherwise your take home will look more like minimum wage, and nobody wants to fix LLM generated code for minimum wage.
@AbandonedAmerica Breakung the manager's (who decided you +colleagues were expendible) bonus deals would probably be more effective than hitting the shareholders.
They'll find a way around it in either case.
@AbandonedAmerica I worek foir a supermarket in the UK.
WE used to have a team of people going around stores, checking gaps on the shelves, and making sure those products had been ordered.
Then someone at Head Orifice had the bright idea of getting AI to do it, so they had cameras fitted facing all the shelves, with AI systems that would track gaps and place orders to fill.
Then they got rid of those staff who previously did the job.
Apparently, all this hardware, and the software to run it, is cheaper than a team of 3 or 4 people on minimum wage.
Then Head Orifice realised that, actually, the false positives (Gaps it sees where there isn't actually a gap) mean we are getting far more stock in than we can work with the already depleted filling teams, and the false negatives (gaps it misses) mean stuff is missing from the shelf for weeks, which means lost sales.
So the management team was tasked with doing this, on top of everything else, and because they think they are over-worked, it got handed to those working on the shop floor, often with little to no training, on top of the jobs they were already exhausted from doing.
They need a full-time team of maybe 3, 4, possibly even 5 people just to correct the incorrect data coming from the AI systems - so how is this cheaper, again?
@AbandonedAmerica At least triple what they paid me before the layoff. Pay for my parking or bus pass and the tax increase for that. My own bar fridge at work fully stocked with water and juice. Personal coffee maker. Quad monitor system with a high end laptop. NOT Windows on the laptop, #linux! High end headset for those never ending conference calls. A great ergonomic chair. Employer FULLY pays for my medical benefits, not me. A signing bonus equivalent of six months of the new pay, not repayable if I quit after three months.
Been laid off over 25 years ago and got a call a few months after to see if I was interested in helping redo code they threw out. Keep in mind this was 25 years ago, and I told them my rates started at $200 (Cdn) an hour (over 388 today) and paid for a minimum of four hours a day no matter how little I worked that day. They never replied back.
@AbandonedAmerica charge even for the time you spent in washroom, peeing or whatever but charge them big
@AbandonedAmerica you know, this is not a us only thing...
@AbandonedAmerica The management class does not perceive bugs in their software. That's dev shit.
or not go back to work for such *** at all? if one can afford it… start a business and be their competition instead,
corporations dont learn, they dont act reasonable because they dont have reason, they dont have awareness so they can’t become aware that they made an error.
oh well maybe corporations embrace AI because it’s very similar to them
@AbandonedAmerica they will contract Indians for a third for a month and then kick them out.
@AbandonedAmerica Just say "LMAO, NOPE!", and look for a job elsewhere.
These are the same crackhouse tech companies that repetedly lay off their employees in mass and then rehire them in mass in order to game their stock price. They did this many of times before, only this time, they AI-washed their routine layoffs.
If you reclaim the job, they'll likely lay you off and waste your time again. These kinds of companies do not provide reliable job security.
@AbandonedAmerica *this*, 100 times. I normally include a clause in all my contracts that if I find out significant portions of your code were AI generated, my rate goes up times 5. Like you said, otherwise nobody learns from this. Knowledge workers need to be able to earn their keep everyday, not only when money-grabbing, poker-playing corporate tapdancers realise the systems they put in place to get rid of them don't actually do the trick - so, hit them where it hurts, when they try.
@AbandonedAmerica how much is so much ?
@saliaku @AbandonedAmerica I'd suggest somewhere in the ballpark of: the largest amount you can think of for doing a freelance gig for a new client, plus 50% in compensation to you for them being a bad employer.
@AbandonedAmerica Reminds me of an old joke of a retired engineer being brought back to fix a problem at the factory he retired from. He puts a chalk mark on the defective part and charges $30,000: $1 for the chalk mark, $29,999 for knowing where to put the chalk mark.
@AbandonedAmerica Counting the months until this will apply to my company, they're intent on speedrunning
@AbandonedAmerica How much would that be, then? Something like fifteen years ago an ordinary HPC (Highly Paid Consultant) was around two grand a day (in pounds), so maybe six or eight grand a day for an emergency AI fix in 2026? - just guessin'.
@TimWardCam @AbandonedAmerica salaries already into the hundreds of thousands per year category these days. So the 6-8K for a contract probably not far off, but certainly a lot if it's back to a salary.
@AbandonedAmerica "if you spent XX on AI, which screwed it up, then my bill for attempting to follow, comprehend and fix the footsteps of the drunk electronic toddler/parrot, it will be the same spend and timeframe. also I want its GPUs and RAM in a box on my desk as a trophy."