I think its not very useful to "AI discourse" to lump in 10 lines of brute force machine applied to a weird unity shadow problem as being equivalent or near-equivalent to wholesale generating games or programs
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/big-walk-developer-house-house-reveal-genai-use-in-final-stretch-of-development-only-revealing-it-now-as-it-has-become-a-matter-of-public-interest
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@happyborg i mean i certainly am not defending them, i was saying that the lack of subtlety point works in both directions: people don't parse subtlety against things they are opposed to, whether that thing is LLM use writ large or other people who are opposed to LLM use writ large.
@jonny I'm not really sure what your point or position is, but am responding to the t00t where you made a statement I disagree with!
@happyborg my point is at the top - in defense of subtlety, where we need to be specific about criticism.
that is separate from igf jurors holding a hard line, which is their prerogative and I don't have an opinion about. Other people are free to set their thresholds for acceptability as total abstinence. I just personally don't find it helpful to lump together every possible LLM use as being the same thing and having the same magnitude of harm. Treating 10 lines of manually reworked code as being equivalent to 1 million lines of unread sludge makes it more difficult to talk about the harm to labor and the environment in the 1 million lines case.
@jonny the difference is that the first *aspires* to be the second. so yeah, treating as them as the same thing is quite justifiable and entirely useful for anti-ai discourse.
think of how debian voted "just the tip" and now every upload goes through a slopbot
@davidgerard
I don't think that's anywhere close to being universally true, even if I agree that the slipperiness of the slope is one of the big problems. I don't gain any useful insight about what the actual material harms of the technology are by equating the two, even talking about the tendency of people to slip from one to the other is more useful than a binary.
@jonny A problem @davidgerard has identified is that it never stops there. Sure, they start with 10 lines, but soon it's just the one file, then just the one library, then… Or they start with "human in the loop", and before long they're working like Linus and having the AI inspect the AI's output for them.
I mean, sure, one cigarette isn't going to kill you and is in no way like chain smoking. But there's a reason why we didn't have PSAs saying "Stick to an acceptable level of 1 or 2 cigarettes per day".
