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Madeleine Morris

@Remittancegirl@mstdn.social yesterday

RE: https://mastodon.social/@villebooks/117603766664516944

Please do not conflate Jews with Israelis.

It's like saying every Muslim is Iranian.

Susan Ville

@villebooks@mastodon.social yesterday

@paulschoe There is no Jewish resistance in Israel, my family lost members in the resistance in Germany, so there's no "if" - Israel is a Jewish state, the genocide in Gaza and the West Bank continues, so it's the responsibility of the Jews; the comparison with the suffering of the Jews in German KZs is a moot point. The Entnazifizierung of Germans created Israel. My people fought, my grand uncles died to fight Hitler, all I can see is armed IDF terrorists/settlers murdering kids. @faab64

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Madeleine Morris

@Remittancegirl@mstdn.social yesterday

Remember the outrageous mistreatment and prejudice against Muslims after 9/11? Remember how every Muslim was expected to spend their entire lives publicly denouncing Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden or else they were secret terrorists?

That was disgusting. And fucking absurd.

It's the same when people keep conflating 'Jews' with Israelis. It's bigotted, it refuses to acknowledge that we are individuals, and that many, many Jews have denounced Israel for their genocide.

adamrice

@adamrice@c.im yesterday

@Remittancegirl Indeed, Jews outside of Israel have (finally) been inspired to organize an identity separate from Israel: https://www.jewishdiasporamovement.org

Jewish Diaspora Movement

Madeleine Morris

@Remittancegirl@mstdn.social yesterday

@adamrice I was born organized with an identity separate from Israel. It is patently offensive to assume I have any association with that state. Never been. Never wanted to go. Feel no affinity for it. Never have. And definitely never will.

Israel is a country with citizens who are answerable for what their elected government does.

adamrice

@adamrice@c.im yesterday

@Remittancegirl I feel the same. But I don't think there's been a “center of gravity” for the diaspora, which it seems is what that organization is trying to create.

When I lived in Tokyo, my girlfriend dragged me to Rosh Hashanah services there, and the rabbi (who was clearly American) kept saying “next year in Israel," which was weird and alienating to me.

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Serge from Babka

@serge@babka.social 14 hr. ago

RE: https://c.im/@adamrice/117604486757562253

"I went to a cultural and religious practice of a group I don't belong to and felt like an outsider! Also why don't those foreigners in Tokyo learn to speak English! Don't they realize this is America!!"

adamrice

@adamrice@c.im 14 hr. ago

@serge Not sure what you’re saying. Why do you think I’m an outsider?

Serge from Babka

@serge@babka.social 8 hr. ago

@adamrice

Because the idea that you found it weird, in a Jewish context, to speak of Israel when that's exactly what's in the shema, when it's in the architecture of every synagogue, when it's built into the Hebrew calendar, and when it's part of most holidays.

The Jews have been forced to deal with a forced exhile, but there have been over 2,000 years of "And eventually we'll return home"

And so nothing about that experience should have felt anything weird or surprising.