Our port to the Pixel 11 series was nearly complete after around a week of the devices being launched. It had to be cancelled due to lack of MTE support. Android 17 QPR2 has added MTE support for the Pixel 11 series and we've confirmed it works with GrapheneOS with our QPR2 port.
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@outstar Both have a similar MTE implementation. Pixel 11 has some security advantages over the Pixel 8 now that it has MTE but isn't a major upgrade overall. The secure element is potentially significantly better in the Pixel 11 but there's no information available about this and it can't be assumed.
@GrapheneOS okay so it differs from device to device? That was kind of my question,
@outstar Not really. It's currently the same MTE feature set on each Pixel. In the future new devices will have more features. There are other security differences but not currently with this.
@GrapheneOS oh okay, and a crazy question. Probably you cannot know that but from what you do know, who implements this thing better like Android .. you.. You know the Android side, or Apple? And what does this actually keep you safe from? Pegasus and stuff like that?
@GrapheneOS that is good news. i was worried that people who bought the 11 series were going to be out of luck. it is a little unsettling that google thought it was cool to ship the device with mte disabled (i assume this was a "we're too cheap/lazy to implement it in fw, but it's present in hardware")
@drfoklghdklifgmodfhgvbkladnf We think it wasn't originally going to have MTE since they wanted to use their own custom cores and cache but didn't want to bother with it. They cancelled that and used standard cores and cache but never implemented MTE. That's based on news coverage of leaks which showed MTE was being dropped to cut costs and complexity along with leaks from Googlers saying the same thing. It's a major factor in why we thought it wasn't present rather than just gone from firmware.
@GrapheneOS You mentioned performance issues with MTE on Pixel 11 in one of your previous posts. Have these issues been resolved?
@Scorpion8741 It performs fine. It's not great but it's still a CPU upgrade over the Pixel 10. It doesn't appear to be higher overhead than it was on the Pixel 10 and even if it's a bit higher overhead, the slightly faster CPU papers over it.
is power consumption/battery life impacted? ie would you still recommend pixel10 over pixel11 if battery life was most important?
@dominik @Scorpion8741 No, they're not much different in regards to battery life. Motorola Signature 27 will easily have over double the battery life of a Pixel 11 Pro XL due to the carbon-silicon battery and far more efficient best-in-class Snapdragon radios. That's going to be the no compromises flagship option including the best cameras and best battery life. CPU and especially GPU performance is the biggest difference from the Pixels. GPU performance can be over 2.5x higher.
Our port to Android 17 QPR2 is nearly complete. Pixel 11 support can be added after we launch it for the other devices. Completing Signature 27 support is our main priority after QPR2 but we essentially finished Pixel 11 support a long time ago so we can ship that after QPR2 too.
@GrapheneOS i dont know if im singing to the choir but i would love for you guys to make a flagship motorola supported phone. im having my pixel blow itself apart, because i assume i misused it and the battery killed the phone. i will be super happy whenever you guys push out grapheneOS as an official OS for the sig 27. genuinely thank u guys
@GrapheneOS I'm very disappointed that the motorola signature 27 is 1900€ in germany and that it even does not have 165hz or 16 GB RAM as the previous signature for that huge price...I'm really reconsidering if I should buy it. Normally I would expect 1 TB storage too but that is not as deep as the less hz and ram...
@zh002 It's available for €1,399 in multiple European countries. You can likely order it from a retailer in another country if the retailers in Germany are selling it at a higher price.
Maybe I repeat myself, but you're doing a really great job!
@GrapheneOS Awesome! Great work, as always! 🚀
@GrapheneOS do you have a rough ETA for when you'll be supporting the Motorola Signature 27 after it is launched? I'm looking forward to the device, but I only want to buy it after you support it.
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That's great news!
@GrapheneOS okay guys, this is stupid question but.. the mte, is it safer with it on the 11 or the 8 or on a Motorola?.. like do you understand what I'm asking? Is there a difference , or you either have it, it makes your phone super safe, or you don't have it and you're effed..?