Post by @aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

RE: https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/117579594140229264

This doesn't get any better in context either: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2026-11/msg00128.html

At the end of the email the maintainer insists `The Free Software movement doesn't pursue the goal of "liberty for all humanity"`, which as it happens is one of my long time criticisms of the movement. I'm not surprised, but I'm still disappointed to see them say it with pride.

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Re: Human Emacs

Ariadne, bunyote friend :therian:

@ariadne@social.treehouse.systems 2 days ago

incredible take from one of the GNU maintainers, seriously

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thedæmon (Clay Ayers) [he / him]

@thedaemon@snac.9front.club 14 hr. ago

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2026-11/msg00205.html

I'm getting really really fucking tired of people being all, and I quote

"Good outrage. And how about going to nature, swimming pool, talking to nice people? Eating fluffy cake? That can help to relax. World is still there. And here you have people to talk to, they are addressing issues. "

Fuck you, we have real problems, putting your head in the clouds and asking others to do so is insulting to the entire human race.

Re: Human Emacs

thedæmon (Clay Ayers) [he / him]

@thedaemon@snac.9front.club 14 hr. ago

This Eli Zaretskii even doubled down on supporting slavery. Wild man, wild. He says he doesn't tolerate slavery but would happily use slave made goods. I don't have words.

ruurd@mastodon.social

@ruurd@mastodon.social 19 hr. ago

@aeva @glynmoody @ariadne I would think in this day and age accepting such a contribution is UNETHICAL because the owner gained this contribution in an unethical way. Therefore it is tainted.

khm

@khm@hj.9fs.net 17 hr. ago

they do not give a shit about ethics, only playing fuck-fuck games with legalese copyright agreements in order to get other people to do what they want

these are not healthy people with a moral core; they're copyright cultists who do not care about anything but the government enforcing their holy text

CC: @aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place @glynmoody@mastodon.social @ariadne@treehouse.systems

rk: it’s hyphen-minus actually

@rk@mastodon.well.com yesterday

@aeva

Surely, I thought, this was just some yutz on the mailing list with no power in the project.

Anyway no, this is one of the GNU Emacs maintainers.

aeva

@aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place 2 days ago

This has me wondering to what extent the schism in Free Software over LLMs mirrors the disconnect between the people who were only ever here for the free toys for white boys vs the people who really do dream of liberation for everyone.

Chris [list of emoji]

@suetanvil@freeradical.zone 13 hr. ago

@aeva

The most generous take I can think of is that they've spent so much time in their on specific corner of what is a much larger struggle that they've forgotten that their work is ultimately one of many small steps toward a greater end.

But yeah, it's not a good look.

Chris [list of emoji]

@suetanvil@freeradical.zone 13 hr. ago

@aeva

(Cue the joke about Baptists not having sex while standing up because it might lead to dancing.)

aeva

@aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place 14 hr. ago

This is getting enough boosts that abusive strangers are taking it as an invitation to be rude and argumentative. I want to be clear, if I don't know you and I think you're trying to pick a fight with me, you will swiftly end up on my block list, and I will forget you ever existed.

aeva

@aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place 13 hr. ago

if you're simply confused as to what my intent was, because my posts above are vague on the details: my only intent here was to state that I think the schism we're seeing in FOSS over LLMs is a broader and older disconnect boiling over rather than a new problem that came out of nowhere, which is to say whether or not FOSS should be a liberatory philosophy or is merely a libertarian philosophy. I don't expect everyone to agree on what "liberatory" means.

Yukari Hafner :v_lesbian:

@shinmera@mastodon.tymoon.eu 2 days ago

@aeva I have always felt that this has been the crux of the divide all along. It's just that now there is no "middle ground" to hide behind anymore. You have to pick.