incredible take from one of the GNU maintainers, seriously
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@mirabilos @glyph @aud @ariadne Also he's savannah project admin on https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gdb/
(thankfully illumos has mdb, but it also has a pretty different ~debugger-language than gdb/lldb)
(thankfully illumos has mdb, but it also has a pretty different ~debugger-language than gdb/lldb)
@ariadne You are more evil than the maintainer by not including the full message in the post in the first place. Including it in replies merely corrects some of many misunderstandings
Awful. Particularly since it looks like a clear majority of subsequent participants in the thread agree with him.
A tricksy thought, though: in some jurisdictions, businesses are required by law to show due diligence in avoiding the use of slavery or forced labour by their suppliers and/or "value chain partners". I wonder how the existence of a public statement like this affects the ability of those businesses either to use GNU software or to collaborate in the development of GNU software.
@ariadne The text in context, on the mailing list: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2026-11/msg00201.html
Pierre Joseph Proudhon: Everyone agrees that slavery is murder, so when I say that property is theft...
GNU guy: woah woah woah, back up.
@ariadne I'm not surprised by GNU taking the "freedom is slavery" position. I'm a *little* surprised they were so literal about it.
@ariadne watch the saudi wealth fund become their biggest donor next year
@ariadne I respect the trimming of names and emails but if anybody deserves an old fashioned pile on it's that guy.
@ariadne Jesus fucking Christ.
@ariadne@treehouse.systems if your ethics are defined by legality, then your ethics aren't worth anything, imo
this is just gross
@lumi @ariadne It's not legal in EU have products based on forced labor: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/C/2025/3736/oj
@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @ariadne@treehouse.systems capitalism in shambles
@ariadne His name is Eli Zaretskii, we need to name fascists.
@ariadne Living by principles is hard. Moral decisions aren't supposed to make you feel warm and fuzzy.
RMS has been demonstrably problematic over the years. I hereby condemn you all for using FSF software.
Or maybe I don't.
@ariadne
The basement-dwelling douchebag who wrote this is seemingly unclear on the distinction between legality and morality.
@ariadne Somehow I should have guessed it was Eli
@ariadne goddamnit emacs could you stop embarrassing me when I recommend you for like five goddamn minutes
@glyph @ariadne I'm still disgusted and mad about this hours later
(but seriously, fucking text editors nowadays
vim: "we are now allowing slop"
neovim: "we are allowing slop and are also fascists"
emacs, months later: "we would totally accept slop, and also, we're super cool with slave labor (software freedom is more important than human freedom (except mine, obviously))")
@glyph @aud @ariadne the response sounds worse to me than "slavery is OK." More like "slavery is somebody else's problem." Gosh this code was written by forced labor, that's terrible. Somebody should do something. Anyways thanks for the patch and copyright assignment, Dolf! We'll get this merged right away!
(Big stinking load of Pontius Pilate not-my-department BS from that dude)
