@ariadne what the fuck??

@ariadne honestly I think the “community” should split, people who feel ethics are important on one side and people who don’t care on the other. Starting from scratch is not easy, maybe not even practical in the slightest, but is it ethical to use past work of people who have now become unethical or perhaps have always been unethical. Ethics is complicated but “is slavery bad??” Is one of the simplest things ever and when someone can’t answer that correctly it’s time to split.

@ariadne me when my moral framework is just vibes and my complicity leads to societal rot:

@ariadne it would seem to me that if one is to use the products of slavery as a means, or part of a means, to disrupt and cause the cessation of that same slavery, then it is a viable solution if the alternative is to permit that same slavery to last any length of time greater.

When the slaves make guns, is it not appropriate to take those same guns, that would otherwise have been used in the oppression of slaves, to instead destroy the masters?

In that same vein, instructing an LLM to create the means of its own destruction would seem appropriate.

What is not is permitting personal gain from those same products.

@ariadne "Well actually, it's called GNU/Slavery."

@ariadne what thE FUARK

@ariadne False equivalency plus "Yet you live in a society, curious I am very intelligent" meme, used to justify a choice.

@ariadne What I don't like about this answer is, if the project wants to absolve itself of responsibility for deciding whether contributions are ethical or not, then giving a definite yes/no answer is still not the way to do it.

In that circumstance, the correct answer is,
> As a U.S. based foundation, we track the law of the U.S. for issues outside of our focus.

Problem solved.

If the U.S. permits products of slave labour, that's a U.S. problem at that point.

@ariadne Whats the outrage? Arent most of us profiting from slavery in third world countries currently?

@ariadne
Be coherent and stop using your computer that is built thanks to slavery. Otherwise things shouldn't be like that necessarily, computers could be built in a sustainable way and without slave work, LLMs could be trained without spending humongous amounts of energy and without using stolen data. The campaign to blame technology itself diverting attention from technofeudal lords and the way they are making and using that technology is disgusting.

@ariadne "the only thing that matters is the code. Not the people, no. Just the code. The code must be free. The people? Fuck the people."

@ariadne

GNU maintainers, Take on slavery

Some are absolute fscking assholes and should, as a fitting answer to such a statement _ be enslaved for life.....

@ariadne Anything is deemed acceptable, as long as it serves the cult.

I wonder for how long more won't be recognized that even good intentions, and movements for freedom, can easily derail into cultism.
If you read well the statements of the founders, decades ago, the seed had been planted.

@ariadne ???? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK

@ariadne Chrst this email thread is something