Post by @cwebber@social.coop

I think I was wrong about the lobste.rs removal of the vibecoding tag. The LLM boosters were cheering its removal, but I think it worked against them. What has happened now is that people have started more rigorously applying flags against anything that either contains LLM written language or any sort of article that's just "I prompted an LLM to do this" which was most of those posts

Look at the "recent" page: https://lobste.rs/recent

And here is a good example of a booster post that previously would have risen to the top of the page with the "vibecoding" tag on it and is now just buried https://lobste.rs/s/mnazv8/october_inflection_point_for_vibe_game

Lobsters

The October inflection point for vibe game development

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Third spruce tree on the left

@tezoatlipoca@mas.to 6 hr. ago

@cwebber i just gotta say regardless of the llm tag drama thanks for making me aware that this place even exists.

It looks like what Reddit _should_ have been w/o all the bullshit. I gotta check out their git repo to see if it can be applied elsewhere.

tibi

@tibi2@mstdn.social 7 hr. ago

@cwebber i lurk on lobsters sometimes and i thought that tag change would make it go to hell entirely, so im happy about this development!

Jayesh Bhoot

@bhoot@mastodon.pub.solar 8 hr. ago

@cwebber Heyy this doesn't often happen with me, but I called it!

1) https://lobste.rs/s/h0eate/updates_site_guidelines_ai_llm_tags#c_a9sx3u

> I think this solution might cause a lot of posts, those which LLM enthusiasts would want to read, to get flagged as spam, because there is no good tag to filter them out.

2) https://lobste.rs/s/nmurnh/what_is_your_opinion_on_submission#c_wg3aju

> Time will say or heal. I'd keep an eye on the Recent Stories to check the pulse of the new moderation rules.

Lobsters

What is your opinion on submission quality since the vibecoding tag was removed?

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Lobsters

Updates to site guidelines and AI/LLM tags

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Christine Lemmer-Webber

@cwebber@social.coop 7 hr. ago

@bhoot You did!

krig

@krig@goto.liten.app 8 hr. ago

@cwebber I too am surprised at the outcome. I predicted that the boosters would regret it and I think I was right, but for the wrong reason. Must say though, I feel like the quality of comments has gone down. A lot of good people left and the vibecoders seem more in the open now.

Christine Lemmer-Webber

@cwebber@social.coop 7 hr. ago

@krig This does seem true also. Several of my friends have left the site, sadly.

tusharhero

@tusharhero@mathstodon.xyz 9 hr. ago

@cwebber I was so sad that I had deactivated my account.

Nora Tindall

@noracodes@tenforward.social 9 hr. ago

@cwebber I'm still waiting to see what the longer term looks like, but I hope you're right.

Christine Lemmer-Webber

@cwebber@social.coop 9 hr. ago

@noracodes It may not last. But for now, that's how it's felt the last few weeks for me.

Christine Lemmer-Webber

@cwebber@social.coop 9 hr. ago

The end result is that browsing lobste.rs is quite nice again. It feels like what it used to feel like before getting drowned in slop was the norm: an interesting collection of technical articles. And now it kind of feels like the only place that feels like that anymore

Christine Lemmer-Webber

@cwebber@social.coop 9 hr. ago

Also I have to say this post in particular is very funny to me: https://lobste.rs/s/mnazv8/october_inflection_point_for_vibe_game#c_3buwea

I'm not sure why you wouldn't understand that "I barely spent any engineering effort on this all but spent more time waxing poetically on its output" wouldn't feel gross (especially because, having played all the games, they didn't match the level of boosting in the post and I can't imagine would be enjoyable to anyone but the prompter)

Lobsters

The October inflection point for vibe game development

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Dan Sugalski

@wordshaper@weatherishappening.network 8 hr. ago

@cwebber oh, wow, Willison has completely melted his brain. I knew he was messing with LLMs and trying to use them “well” a year or two ago, and I see how well that went.

Meth^WLLMs. Not even once.

Amil Mohanan

@amilm@mastodon.social 8 hr. ago

@cwebber I think it was an inflection point on some sense, just in the way that the OP thought it was

damien 🥖🐈‍⬛🧣

@eramdam@social.erambert.me 9 hr. ago

@cwebber god that article is beyond parody lol

tibi

@tibi2@mstdn.social 7 hr. ago

@eramdam @cwebber genuinely so funny how much these chatbots attract the dullest people with no interests or taste. how do you look at your own prompts and not notice you have no idea how to describe what you like

Timo the timo

@timotimo@peoplemaking.games 8 hr. ago

@eramdam @cwebber can't wait for the trick to put "make it really good" in the prompt to become common knowledge so games finally stop being not really good

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Christine Lemmer-Webber

@cwebber@social.coop 8 hr. ago

@eramdam

> And if the game isn’t fun enough, add this:
>
>> Make it a LOT more fun

peak game design

Dave Anderson

@danderson@hachyderm.io 9 hr. ago

@cwebber I have a little morning ritual now of going through /recent and flagging all the spam and off-topic LLM stuff. It's lovely and meditative, and empirically I'm not the only one doing this because the slop accumulates many flags rapidly after getting posted.

Christine Lemmer-Webber

@cwebber@social.coop 9 hr. ago

@danderson Thanks for making my daily read nicer! It feels so good and refreshing now

Dave Anderson

@danderson@hachyderm.io 9 hr. ago

@cwebber yeah, it's weird how rapid and radical a shift it was for the homepage. Ironically, getting rid of the vibecoding tag is what was needed to greatly improve the vibes, who knew