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@lauren any suggestions on alternatives? I believed in Proton 🫠
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@bsdtv @DianeBruce @mwl I do NOT recommend people run their own mail servers in 2026. The hassles are just not worth it, too much email will never get through without enormous work and even then important emails are almost certain to be lost. I wouldn't do it today if I hadn't been running servers for decades, and every day it seems to get harder. Trust me on this.
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Seems the influence of the email empire reaches far these days. Sorry to disappoint but you have been woefully misinformed.
@h3artbl33d @lauren @bsdtv @DianeBruce @mwl I concur. I have no issues running a correctly configured email server, delivering to all the big mailers, from here in Australia via #IPv6 and also legacy #IPv4 . So much FUD about the difficulties, without backing it up with facts.
@tubsta @DianeBruce @bsdtv @mwl @h3artbl33d Try sending out thousands of emails a day on legacy email lists that have been running for decades. Just try. Jeez.
@tubsta @DianeBruce @bsdtv @mwl @h3artbl33d Though actually, the first surprise most people get if they try to do email themselves is that (at least in the U.S.) you usually can't get port 25 opened on residential ISP services.
@h3artbl33d @bsdtv @DianeBruce @mwl HUH? I've been running my own email servers for 40 years on my main domain and for years before that via UUCP and UUCP/ARPANET/Internet gateways. I think I'm fairly well informed. So your insults are not only impolite but also incorrect.
@lauren @bsdtv @DianeBruce @mwl I, too, have run a (small) mail server for decades. I actually think it's *easier* for me, because my IP and Domain are old and have been building "reputation" for decades.
For someone running a one-person server (as I am), I don't think it's too hard to get deliverability working. But if you want to send lots of email, or host many domains, it gets much harder to avoid being seen as spam.
@agreeable_landfall @bsdtv @DianeBruce @mwl Well, keeping in mind that my main domain was one of the first 40 dot-coms issued, I probably have it over you in terms of domain age. But the amount of inbound spam is enormous, beyond imagination. Even with greylisting and spamassassin, a lot gets through, and they are serious pains to maintain. Tighten things up too much and non-spam will be blocked (even if you don't tighten up non-spam ends up often blocked) and typically vanish into a black hole. Equally bad is that the major mail services have been blocking more and more non-spam email and/or tossing into user spam folders that are never reviewed by users, and without SPF, DKIM, and DMARC everyone will eventually be blocked. They're doable but also a hassle to maintain. Also, there are so many blocklists now that will add IPs to their blocklists on the basis of one inaccurate report, and getting off them can be almost impossible sometimes unless you "know someone" who can help directly. Again, I most strongly recommend NOT going in this direction. It's bad now and will only be getting worse.
@lauren @bsdtv @DianeBruce @mwl at this point I think that at best it’s tolerable to run a mail server for a coop or other not-too-small group of people but I can’t imagine it being worth it for less than maybe 20 people.
I have lost faith in all software companies. They have turned into AI labs and are willing to sell out to the most corrupt bidder.
During the late 90s and early 00's I wouldn't have imagined that we would eventually lose one of the most democratizing platforms invented.
@lauren I have time left on my subscription but cancelled the renewal. If the board can’t oust Yen then I’m out
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I'd been holding out hope that Yen would ousted over this and his other customer-trust-breaking bullshit, but if he really holds a majority stake then I guess that's very unlikely. Really time to switch, then.
@lauren Astermail seems to be promising (they seem to mainly use AI for finding bugs and security issues). They're currently going through an audit, so awaiting that to see what the results are.