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@lauren Astermail seems to be promising (they seem to mainly use AI for finding bugs and security issues). They're currently going through an audit, so awaiting that to see what the results are.
@lauren any suggestions on alternatives? I believed in Proton 🫠
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@bsdtv @DianeBruce @mwl I do NOT recommend people run their own mail servers in 2026. The hassles are just not worth it, too much email will never get through without enormous work and even then important emails are almost certain to be lost. I wouldn't do it today if I hadn't been running servers for decades, and every day it seems to get harder. Trust me on this.
@lauren @bsdtv @DianeBruce this one is running its own mail server, both incoming and outgoing, and it seems to work absolutely fine?
@lauren @bsdtv @DianeBruce @mwl
Seems the influence of the email empire reaches far these days. Sorry to disappoint but you have been woefully misinformed.
@h3artbl33d @lauren @bsdtv @DianeBruce @mwl I concur. I have no issues running a correctly configured email server, delivering to all the big mailers, from here in Australia via #IPv6 and also legacy #IPv4 . So much FUD about the difficulties, without backing it up with facts.
@h3artbl33d @bsdtv @DianeBruce @mwl HUH? I've been running my own email servers for 40 years on my main domain and for years before that via UUCP and UUCP/ARPANET/Internet gateways. I think I'm fairly well informed. So your insults are not only impolite but also incorrect.
@lauren @bsdtv @DianeBruce @mwl I, too, have run a (small) mail server for decades. I actually think it's *easier* for me, because my IP and Domain are old and have been building "reputation" for decades.
For someone running a one-person server (as I am), I don't think it's too hard to get deliverability working. But if you want to send lots of email, or host many domains, it gets much harder to avoid being seen as spam.
@agreeable_landfall @bsdtv @DianeBruce @mwl Well, keeping in mind that my main domain was one of the first 40 dot-coms issued, I probably have it over you in terms of domain age. But the amount of inbound spam is enormous, beyond imagination. Even with greylisting and spamassassin, a lot gets through, and they are serious pains to maintain. Tighten things up too much and non-spam will be blocked (even if you don't tighten up non-spam ends up often blocked) and typically vanish into a black hole. Equally bad is that the major mail services have been blocking more and more non-spam email and/or tossing into user spam folders that are never reviewed by users, and without SPF, DKIM, and DMARC everyone will eventually be blocked. They're doable but also a hassle to maintain. Also, there are so many blocklists now that will add IPs to their blocklists on the basis of one inaccurate report, and getting off them can be almost impossible sometimes unless you "know someone" who can help directly. Again, I most strongly recommend NOT going in this direction. It's bad now and will only be getting worse.
@lauren @bsdtv @DianeBruce @mwl at this point I think that at best it’s tolerable to run a mail server for a coop or other not-too-small group of people but I can’t imagine it being worth it for less than maybe 20 people.
I've been running my own email server for almost 25 years. I don't recommend it for new people.
I have 3rd party support for both inbound and outbound email. I'm concerned these arrangements could go away on short notice crippling my email.
I'm starting to look at simplifying life and am looking for alternatives that can handle my email needs. I use aliases, procmail, basic dovecot, postfix and a few custom bounce responses.
I was looking at proton recently and it was looking close to my needs. Then I realized keeping the data encrypted on their end makes clients difficult. The proton android client seems horrible in part due to needing to process everything locally. To use IMAP you need to run a special gateway on your own linux system.
I stopped messing with dns zone files and AXFR records years ago going to a commercial dns provider. Some services are best handled by someone else.
I have lost faith in all software companies. They have turned into AI labs and are willing to sell out to the most corrupt bidder.
During the late 90s and early 00's I wouldn't have imagined that we would eventually lose one of the most democratizing platforms invented.
@lauren I have time left on my subscription but cancelled the renewal. If the board can’t oust Yen then I’m out
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I'd been holding out hope that Yen would ousted over this and his other customer-trust-breaking bullshit, but if he really holds a majority stake then I guess that's very unlikely. Really time to switch, then.
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Good idea in general on any service to have incremental backups anyways.
https://proton.me/support/proton-mail-export-tool
How to export and restore emails using the Proton Mail Export Tool | Proton