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lol lobste.rs really did directly compare chatbots to compilers, that's an official moderation position
lobsters is a polite garden party for loud AI marketers, and that's official now
absolutely fuckin slop brained. and just after pushcx finally realised nazis might be bad to have on your site.
@davidgerard I hate this comparison with a passion. It's such a bullshit onion.
@davidgerard As someone (unwilling) embedded in AI dev culture, this is the dream. People want a particular AI tool and process that removes the necessity of reading the generated code. I just read a "state of the industry" report that described "PR review theater", where people would "review" pull requests but not actually read them, in the "best case" scenario throwing them at the AI and interrogating the AI about them before just approving them.
At work we have a consultant teaching us "AI security" best practices1 and he says he doesn't even read the generated code anymore, and encourages us to do the same. Does it matter that, as a consultant, he doesn't have to maintain the systems he consults on? I certainly think it does, but apparently I'm in the minority.
My biggest hope with the AI bubble was that it would burst soon enough that people wouldn't immediately switch to open models on local hardware, but I unfortunately think that ship has sailed. Most devs I know would saw their hands off before hand-typing code again.
This is the Bad Place.
1 They boil down to "don't give the AI privileges it shouldn't have or it will fuck you".
Even before LLM, lobsters would moderate away
things that were counter to the techbro agenda.
@davidgerard « During that time, I've found that this community is at its best when it's trying to, in good faith, help others grow. […] We're listing "careers" as off-topic to try to head off posts about interviewing, promotions, burnout, and farming. »
@davidgerard and their new official stance on it has just made more moderation work for themselves while alienating the core part of the community that kept it from being an HN wannabe
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@davidgerard it's a common misconception that "AI tools" refers to LLM products, when it's actually a term for their users. And I'm sure pushcx will figure out the significant overlap between AI tools and Nazis after most of the bar patrons have already left.
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"it's a common misconception that "AI tools" refers to LLM products, when it's actually a term for their users."
any forum that starts out saying "we only care about this particular subject" will always, always wind up with the absolute worst people and nobody else. the only question is how long it takes before the good people get fed up and/or banned
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@davidgerard im so happy that i dont know what lobste.rs is
@khm @juliatty @davidgerard n-gate....? is it you?
I miss him so much.
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the pencil one always slays me
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@davidgerard If llms are compilers, then their output is not source.
Getting their output accepted as such is fraud.
@davidgerard so they're just parroting AInus' statement now, yes? I mean, if "the man" says they're basically the same it has to be true, right? 😆
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@davidgerard ah yes stocastic word salad generator definitely same thing as deterministic code translator.