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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@cR0w/117485345192131258
I learned to program with PHP and literally _nothing_ on the planet comes even close to being that easy to program and deploy.
Which makes "I run JS on Node with 57373 unchecked dependencies to do basic CRUD and PHP is just so bad and dumb" look really juvenile.
@Exagone313 "deploy your PHP program" for 99% of the people means "drop it in a folder". No compilation, no starting of services, nothing. That is a massive quality.
@tante You can have the same for any language. It's just that PHP hosting has wider availability.
Setting up LAMP when I started doing web development around 2000 was so much easier than getting Perl working that it felt revolutionary and I’m clearly not the only one who thinks so.
@tante it is a fit language and haters should stop living in 2005
but: i think PHP draws many people from other backgrounds than IT, precisely because it is so easy to use. which might cause worse practices regarding ops and dev in average, compared to other ecosystems. node is even worse for sure, tho, but probably for other reasons.
@tante also hot take: with react, the JS comunity reinvented a lot of the qualities of PHP without even noticing it
@tante i learned to program on js and also see an immense amount of negativity directed toward it particularly because of its use on the frontend which tends to get very female-coded, please reconsider this rhetoric
@hipsterelectron I added a clarification in another post. I absolutely acknowledge the phenomenon you describe but these days it feels like the backend JS crowd does - being the mainstream go-to these days - sees itself and is seen somewhat differently
@tante removed self-boost appreciate it
@tante This. For all its flaws, PHP is lightyears ahead of JS.
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@tante I disagree for the deploy part.
It's much easier to deploy Go. One binary, usually static, that you can even cross-compile (Zig comes to mind too). PHP has many available hosting services but it is still complex on their side (SAPI, reverse proxy configuration... and permission/isolation traps).
PHP is easier for web development because the application state starts from scratch on every request and it is easier to learn.