People make fun of vi because it’s hard to get out, but it says right there: “esc : w q”. Whereas getting out of emacs apparently requires the gradual realization over the course of decades that all of your heroes are monsters and the ideological basis of the liberatory movements you championed in your youth are inherently flawed, and they are futile exercises
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@gemelen @mcc @glyph I was going to see what the emacs UI was like, but after `sudo dnf install emacs` I was greeted with:
"Transaction Summary:
Installing: 31 packages
Total size of inbound packages is 124 MiB. Need to download 124 MiB.
After this operation, 514 MiB extra will be used (install 514 MiB, remove 0 B)."
WHY DOES A TEXT EDITOR NEED TO BE HALF A GIGABYTE IN SIZE
@techokami @gemelen @glyph it can read mail
@techokami @gemelen @mcc I know, it's so small! They get it that way by not shipping Electron
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@glyph it actually took me *years* after that to figure out how to quit emacs. Every time I was in a bookstore I'd look for an emacs book and see if I could find the quit command in one with my stretch goal trying to figure out how to use the plainly visible menu at the top of the screen. I did eventually figure the quit out this way but never did find out how the menu worked
@glyph This is not a joke : When I first booted up LinuxPPC in the late 90s, the first thing I'd written down I needed to do was edit a file, and I'd written down I could do that with vi or emacs. (I didn't have X up yet.) When I opened vi I was able to figure out how to get into the help facility by key mashing, and then that told me how to quit. When I ran emacs I couldn't figure out how to quit. I had to kill it from another vterm.
The result of this is I still use vi 25 years later.