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@Migueldeicaza And you hate the version that was abused by ruthless to subjugate people, and the versions that were fought by the US of A with all kinds of violence and influence because it's bad for business.
@Migueldeicaza I also hate the version that existed in Eastern Europe in the 20th Century.
The people who built some of the world's oldest cities some 10,000 years ago seemed to know how Socialism works without a paranoid security state. No signs of any inequality. Everyone owned the same stuff, wore the same clothes and jewelry, lived in the same houses, shared everything, nobody was better or worse off than anybody else. Everyone ate the same food. People everywhere in those early cities were equally healthy. There are no signs of any kind of nobility, no palaces, nothing.
@LordCaramac there is a great book - “bloodlands: Europe between hitler and stalin”
@Migueldeicaza I feel indifferent towards socialism, but dislike some socialists. I feel like people who attach their whole identity to some label can be extremely dogmatic.
@Migueldeicaza Yes. That and the fact that most in the US see themselves as a future someone with 4 houses and 3 yachts.
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You don't hate socialism. You hate the version that was explained to you by someone who owns 4 houses and 3 yachts
@Migueldeicaza I mean, I get the sentiment, I don't like the weaponization of the term on the right. But as someone who was born in a socialist country, whose parents spent most of their lives under totalitarian regime, and who can still see societal impact of the 40-year rule 36 years later, this kind of stuff makes me sad.
I get that this is almost certainly a confusion of terms ("socialism" in my country is not the same term as "social welfare" — socialism is meant in Marx-Lenin sense).
@filiph @Migueldeicaza
You are attributing the harms of authoritarianism, corruption, and relentless attacks from the capitalist West to “socialism”.
For example, Cuba’s woes are not primarily due to their embrace of socialism, but to America’s 60-year revenge campaign against a former colony that won its independence from imperialist colonizers and mobsters.
And as we reflect on the present moment, I wouldn’t say capitalism has yielded great results.
@freediverx @Migueldeicaza Ok, this will sound like some random internet person's opinion on the topic, so I want to preface by saying I think I know a thing or two about my country's history and the history of socialism (e.g., degree in IR, I actually read Marx&Engels recently). Thinking that the woes of socialist countries (and my parents & grandparents) are completely disassociated from socialism is just plain wrong. For one, Czechoslovakia was colonized, but not by the West — by the USSR.
@freediverx @Migueldeicaza I'm simplifying, of course. But the idea that the only reason socialism has a bad track record is attacks from the capitalist West is, to be honest, beyond simplification. The regime in my country and others was perfectly capable of ruining the country by themselves. No foreign power forced Czechoslovak government to jail and execute political opponents, nor were they forced to institute state police and make disastrous societal/economic decisions.
@freediverx @filiph right, another great axis. Coups, invasions, wars have often been used to prevent governments that threaten capital.
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The Cold War was a fight against the threat of a good example.
The New Deal was a desperate act to save capitalism from the imminent threat of a well-organized, militant labor movement. Decades later, after organized labor was all but destroyed in America, we find ourselves back in a gilded age and on a likely path to human extinction.
@filiph there are multiple axis involved, corruption, authoritarianism, economic policy, social policy, plenty more- and humanity has explored many terrible blends.
@Migueldeicaza I hate the kind that devastated my country and many others.