Discussion
a dipshit is comfortable with slavery so long as it further his goals. other people voice their disagreement. do you:
Honestly I've no idea whether snac generates a notification on a quote post? It should imo; I'll look into that.
In my opinion, "shall their suffering be in vain" is a framing I don't agree with. The question I'm interested in is "shall we benefit from their suffering" and my answer is "that would be unethical." Suffering, imposed externally, is not ennobled by exploitation after the fact, even if the exploiters were not the enslavers. Any other response encourages people to do bad things and tell the world they took this moral hazard unto themselves as an act of martyrdom. Accepting done-deal slop is the same trap: taking the pragmatic route just encourages further infractions.
But my other problem with the post is all the hypothetical whataboutism. Homey in the mailing list thread was asked a direct question and answered wrong. It doesn't matter to me how many creative writing awards we can generate illustrating shades of gray; in fact I am deeply suspicious of the attempt. It reads like firing rhetorical chaff to throw off targeting, and my immediate response is "why?"
CC: @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br
@khm @lxo I think the only reasonable take here is, we should do everything we can to stop unsavory labor practices and mass criminality, but also do whatever we can, leveraging the tools that already exist, to build the utopic, egalitarian, and equitable society, where the fruits of all labor are remitted to all people, that we deserve.
I agree with everything in this post with the caveat that some tools leverage externalities I consider it unethical to leverage and that's the core of the disagreement here. I rejected the "LLMs are just another tool" argument a long time ago and I'm not going to revisit that decision because someone likes their slot machine payout.
CC: @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br
There's a dipshit computer geek on the internet, and I need to react right away.
@khm that is some kind of advanced "Social Justice" gymnastics right there.
benefiting from oppression is totally fine for very special boys
@khm I usually like your takes but I think you're wrong about this and @lxo understands the nuance (and it's cowardly not to tag him). The victims have already suffered. Shall their suffering be in vain? Pernkopf Atlas debate. Listen, I don't want slop in my GNU, but I feel this fedimob is mistaking "accepting some slop after it's done" with "encouraging more slop use" and that distinction actually does matter, unless of course your purpose is to be a propagandist stoking confusion and hate.