When your opponent is a fascist, YOU VOTE AGAINST the FASCIST.
It blows my mind this this still needs to be said.
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It is self evident that “stopping the Republicans now will only allow them in later” is a shit reason for not stopping the Republicans now.
In two party politics that the US system is set up to enforce, the opposition often moves to the centre where they see their lost votes lying. Republicans winning draws the Democrats to the right. It’s been such a long time since the Democrats held all three branches that they have drifted a long way to the right.
Your can pull the Overton window s l o w l y to the left by not letting the Republicans win.
But that would be admitting reality and making a pragmatic choice, and I’ll guessing you want the Republicans to win again to teach the Democrats a “move left” lesson that they can only hear the opposite of when the Republicans win.
It is self evident that "stopping the Republicans now will only allow them in later" is a shit reason for not stopping the Republicans now.
No; you need to provide a long-term alternative that actually works.
In two party politics that the US system is set up to enforce, the opposition often moves to the centre where they see their lost votes lying. Republicans winning draws the Democrats to the right. It's been such a long time since the Democrats held all three branches that they have drifted a long way to the right.
And there it is. There are three problems here: First, where's your proof that this is what's going on? Second, before 2024 the Republicans hadn't had all three branches for even longer than the Democrats either yet they kept moving away from the center, so what's up with that? Third, polling has been exceptionally clear on what voters want for ages now and it is emphatically not centrist bullshit. Hell, progressive candidates keep winning all over the place. Why do the Democrats not understand that? Are they so stupid that they can't even read what the polls say? Keep in mind that this is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence.
Your can pull the Overton window s l o w l y to the left by not letting the Republicans win.
Again, you need to explain why this doesn't work the other way around, since the Republicans seem very able to sell their policy positions even when they're not in power, but also: Have you seen what the polls say? The Overton window has been at least in the center-left for ages and it's having zero impact on the Democratic establishment's policy. The Democratic Party is well to the right of its electorate.
You’re making claims that need to be proven and defended before they can be taken seriously.
PS: Note that for the most part I’m not making my own claims here. I could do that but that can wait until you give me an argument I can seriously engage with.
And there we have it. Your position is that everything I said is wrong, and the burden of proof is 100% on me, with 0% on you.
Well, guess what, in real life, and outside of ml, you don’t set the rules, and claiming that I didn’t prove my points to your satisfaction (as if your narrative could be swayed by anything in reality) is a million miles from proving your “alternative facts” as even plausible.
The only thing you get in America if it’s not Democrats is Republicans. All the rest is entirely your make believe fantasy.
who is not the fascist? you are going to have to point them out because i see an open fascist, and a hidden fascist.
who is not the fascist?
If you’re asking this question you need to return to school. And I’m not even trying to be mean. If you can’t tell, there is something wrong with your brain and education can probably fix it.
You may not like either side, but it has NEVER, NEVER been like this while Democrats were in control. This is a whole new shit ballgame.
And you too can enjoy that cliff.
For the record I sort of agree with you, but writing things in capital letters doesn't make them true. At the very least, you need to demonstrate that winning the election now by getting a bunch of corporate stooges into office wouldn't just cause a repeat of this in 2029 or 2033. Your point is not self-evident.