the hades art is good but it's not sexy but they act like it is, it feels devoid of emotion tbh
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@sun in the defense of hades it is art that is both a small part of the screen, meant to be readable, and not distract from the text all too much, and easily changeable on the head enough to account for different facial expressions and head angles.
@themilkman @sun Fire Emblem did that too, but the right way.
@nerthos @sun the anime artstyle gets way too much leeway because it's associated with the content that they are usually a part of not because the artstyle itself is good, don't get me wrong the artstyle is good and i am a fan of it, but the reason most do this argument is not because it is superior, but because they associate it with the medium.
it's kind of like how a lot of Video game soundtracks work, the game gives the tension and context to the song, so both end up elevating each other, but video game soundtracks are not above and beyond usual music, it's because the context of the game elevates the emotional context of the song, without that emotional context (or the knowledge of the context) the songs aren't all that great, not calling VGOSTs bad either, they serve their roles as video game soundtracks well, but they are designed for the game and rely on the game and surrounding context for their emotional resonance and tension.
it's kind of like how a lot of Video game soundtracks work, the game gives the tension and context to the song, so both end up elevating each other, but video game soundtracks are not above and beyond usual music, it's because the context of the game elevates the emotional context of the song, without that emotional context (or the knowledge of the context) the songs aren't all that great, not calling VGOSTs bad either, they serve their roles as video game soundtracks well, but they are designed for the game and rely on the game and surrounding context for their emotional resonance and tension.
@themilkman @nerthos I've been a major comic fan since childhood and there are pros and cons to both western and japanese comics, but the illustration and the stories, but at this point manga completely eclipses western comics. there are many great western comics however that would never happen in japan.
@themilkman @sun I pointed at Fire Emblem specifically because it is good, not because it's anime-ish. Plenty of oriental aesthetic games that do it really wrong.
@sun it's also mega "safe horny" and even quite ugly in places, that one face shot in the upper left is just... there's just something super wrong about it
All these women characters and there's a sheer lack of femininity
All these women characters and there's a sheer lack of femininity
@coolboymew the artist is clearly skilled but this is just not their forte, they were a good artist that was incorrectly picked.
@sun I'd have to see the rest of their art to judge, but bottom left is a seriously good design that still ultimately leaves me feeling nothing whatsoever
To be this bad at being good takes skills
To be this bad at being good takes skills
@coolboymew imagine being an artist and you have to dodge ideological minefields instead of expressing yourself
@sun @coolboymew Considering most of the people laying those mines down are artists themselves, I can't be upset. There are options to break ideological containment. It's on the person wanting free expression to take them.
@mrsaturday @coolboymew @sun the other problem is that internet artists want to be in the "big club", especially the animators who either want to be picked up by a studio or by some outfit like Glitch Productions.
They're worried about offending other people like that and especially the big wigs. Nevermind the fact that social media isn't like Furaffinity/NG where the admins have "skin in the game" with regards to online community drama.
@sendpaws @coolboymew @sun I'd imagine that there are plenty of Monica Rial-type gatekeepers that aggressively keep anyone that strays too far from their norms from taking off. I do agree that the whole notion of there being "art communities" with ideological checklists is a major problem, though. Just draw, animate, whatever, and let the work do the talking.
@mrsaturday @coolboymew @sun Oh for sure, it's even worse with the ones who can't handle when the hordes raid their images with dumbass gifs and they're ill-equipped to handle it. Of course, that was also a problem going back to the DeviantArt age, a lot of people trolled people on that site by saying "your art is shit" or "fuckin weird bro".
@mrsaturday @coolboymew @sun Also I should add something else: internet artists are petty and spiteful towards anyone who even gets too successful in that sphere and might have stepped on some people along the way.
Look at Vivziepop, many of the people who shit on her do it because she managed to break out of that scene. There's some valid reasons to shit on her or her work, but they've been overshadowed by the BlueSky people screeching at her wishing that they could be in her shoes with a big name production.
Or how a problematic artist who drew edgy shit a few years ago will always have someone tagging along every time someone features his art to dump the Google Doc/screenshots. To them, it's no different than an artist actually doing heinous shit.
@mrsaturday @coolboymew @sun Then on the other hand you have the right-wing sphere which either makes obvious political shit (see: Vox Day, the Comicsgate bunch), or something mid-at-best. Some of them are retired and only decided to be chuddy after they moved on from the industry, but their creative output isn't the same as it was back in the day. What has Marty O Donnell done since being the Halo OST guy, or the Earthworm Jim guy?
It makes artists who want to be chuddy have a uphill battle because they are not going to get the same amount of money or e-fame they would be if they said the lines or even stayed silent. I've seen in chats "struggle artists" as I call them lament this and basically admit that they went left wing because nobody on the right would lift a finger, and they felt as if they would make more money/be more talked about if they went the other way.
That's not counting the artists who refuse to try because they feel that the tim heideckers and blockhead joes of the world are going to gatekeep them at any turn. World Peace flaming out was a huge blackpill, and people were split on if that interview was either Sam nuking his chances of being famous or the showbiz version of the KLF Grindcore award show concert. Even 10+ years later, I still feel this blackpilling mindset going on.
Nobody ever breaks down those events of people getting canceled like the Air Crash Investigation show or the USCSB YouTube channel. Instead they think that anything that happens is a result of the powers that be trying to keep someone they liked down. For every person saying Sam needed a tard wrangler/PR guy to keep him from stunts like the interview or powerleveling on Twitter, there were people who were also convinced it was solely Adult Swim trying to stop him.
ALSO, you can find WAY SEXIER than even that pic from random artists on Japanese twitter. There is a reason that manga has almost completely erased the american comic industry, they are objectively better at it except for a few western standouts
25 years ago this would be rejected for looking too much like concept art, it has a real concept art vibe to it you used to see for moviemaking materials. I can't explain it well, I'm sorry.
